religion

[EvenField2BeOn]

You get my point. Take some mescaline and call it a day.

[Element]

are you a diest?

[Alexnova]

Apologies for the late reply, been busy with my studies as of late.

98,000 years of preparation..... white noise

God had to work with what he had. The genealogies are there for a reason. God ain't acting alone, He is working with real human beings. You can't get from Cain to the Theotokos in live flesh and blood in one step.

You can jump all over this with the typical attacks if you wish, but the so called "ontological will of God" "versus" the "providential will of God" is too complicated a matter for everyone.

God ain't moving people around like chess pieces. The Theotokos was the fruit of a long and terrible struggle of particular people working out their relationship with God.

Element, if you truly are open to conversion, you might find that your questions will be less directed at God (not that this is inappropriate, bad, or shouldn't be, and can often be healthy within a context of faith or true struggle) than at yourself.

To turn your question around, why has it taken me so long to accept the Savior of the world and having accepting Him and ostensibly having the fuller Truth than Adam and Eve, do I reject and disregard Him and His teachings?

Adam and Eve get a bad rap for their sin. Christians according to their faith have the fullness of Truth and sin over and over and over and over again.

before agriculture (a long fucking time) men were hunter gathering nomads who were barely recognizable as "human" in any modern sense.

What on earth? That's quite an assertion.

plus, god only chose to reveal himself as yahweh to only one region. why i wonder, is it so that in different regions god seems to be completely different? curious.

He had to work with a specific people and within history.

No doubt, it seems scandalous. And your questions are tough and realistic ones. If you decide, to read the Hebrew Scriptures with all the genocide, rape, incest, murder, adultery, etc., what I find so remarkable is the honesty of struggle that Israel maintained in their writings. Why keep all those scandalous stories about the Patriarchs and so on in your Holy Scriptures?

Read the Psalms, ain't all just Hallelujah.

And to answer your question more specifically and again in light of what I wrote above: God didn't zap anyone into the Truth. He had work with people who were willing (and most weren't and those who ended up working with God did so with much cajoling).

But to say the all the rest of creation was completely in the "dark" is not Biblical nor Christian.

Knowing the Truth ain't no walk in the park or desert as it were.

The recent Gospel reading on Sunday was the parable of the Last Judgement. Want to know the Truth? Be careful what you ask for, for to the degree we know the Truth and fail to LIVE it is to the degree of own condemnation.

[Element]

the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is at least 14 billion years old. god's a procrastinator?

i'm not open to conversion unless someone gives me some real evidence that god even exists. and then if they can actually prove to me that which no primate can know, which is the mind of god; then i'll think about it.

did you just foretell judgment day, and use that to threaten me into believing in your imaginary friend? hahaha fuck off

[Alexnova]

the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is at least 14 billion years old. god's a procrastinator?

i'm not open to conversion unless someone gives me some real evidence that god even exists. and then if they can actually prove to me that which no primate can know, which is the mind of god; then i'll think about it.

did you just foretell judgment day, and use that to threaten me into believing in your imaginary friend? hahaha fuck off

Can you honestly say why you are debating me?

That would be a thread you should start and try to work out for yourself. In all seriousness. Why are you here?

If you cannot bring yourself to do that, at least work on your reading comprehension.

[Element]

just seeing if you had any good reasons for being pious.


i'm sorry i require actual reasons to hold a belief, but i can't just bypass reason.

[Alexnova]

just seeing if you had any good reasons for being pious.


i'm sorry i require actual reasons to hold a belief, but i can't just bypass reason.

You should still work on your reading comprehension.

If you want to know the Truth, then you should try living it for a while. You've blown off praxis suggested here.

If you want to hold a "rational" debate on the "existence" of God. Then you need to stick with a Catholic or a Protestant.

Maybe you will convert to believing in the unmoved mover. If ain't willing to do, then there is no purpose in discussing anything with you about the Living God of Israel, Father of His Son who became incarnate and who LIVED among us.

I offered my EXPERIENCE here, because I thought you were genuinely struggling with your question. Instead, you become flippant and turn to old, tired, and worn-out "reasoning".

If you want to open another thread which has nothing to do with Christianity and about "truth", I will own your "rational" approach, if you are willing to pay me to do it.

Discussing and testifying to the Gospel is one thing. Giving remedial lessons in thought and philosophy is another.

I don't throw pearls before swine, but I am sure willing to take them from them.

[Element]

you still haven't answered any of my questions. jesus won't be happy for letting my soul go to hell when you had the EXPERIENCE and "truth" to save me!

[Alexnova]

you still haven't answered any of my questions. jesus won't be happy for letting my soul go to hell when you had the EXPERIENCE and "truth" to save me!

"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet." —Jesus (Matthew 10:14)

No, Jesus isn't happy about it, but he recognizes that some people's hearts are so hard that they will not listen. He told the apostles to move on in those cases. Maybe the seeds that were planted will sprout someday, but there comes a time when there is nothing more we can do.